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Message 63351 - Posted: 11 Mar 2013 | 16:40:09 UTC

I noticed that since a few days all my TRP sieve tasks (from different computers) require doublechecking. Is there any particular reason for this?

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Message 63352 - Posted: 11 Mar 2013 | 16:45:07 UTC - in response to Message 63351.
Last modified: 11 Mar 2013 | 16:45:17 UTC

I noticed that since a few days all my TRP sieve tasks (from different computers) require doublechecking. Is there any particular reason for this?


Yes there is. Here's a link to the thread that explains what happened as I asked the same thing about pps sieves. My bad, I asked my question in a thread that wasn't really on that subject.

http://www.primegrid.com/forum_thread.php?id=4881

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321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,045,964)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,023,566)ESP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,021,061)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,080,021)PPS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (8,904,332)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,109,761)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,069,227)SR5 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,019,335)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,131,335)TPS LLR (retired) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (20,001)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,017,688)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,099,788)321 Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (17,263,825)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,247,691)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (42,978,961)PPS Sieve Double Ruby: Earned 2,000,000,000 credits (2,338,076,356)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (36,215,460)TRP Sieve (suspended) Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (102,264,922)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,537,729)GFN Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,192,662)PSA Double Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000,000 credits (1,343,866,777)
Message 63354 - Posted: 11 Mar 2013 | 17:01:45 UTC - in response to Message 63352.
Last modified: 11 Mar 2013 | 17:02:03 UTC

Oh... well... damn... I agree that double checking is probably the only quick solution against this kind of cheating. Even if it slows down things....

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321 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,063,954)Cullen LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (665,748)ESP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,025,432)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (589,484)PPS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,561,462)PSP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,134,556)SoB LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,064,898)SR5 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,043,015)SGS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,072,821)TRP LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,026,807)Woodall LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,042,977)321 Sieve Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,096,785)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,911,344)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,077,092)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (45,225,274)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,034,014)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,070,774)AP 26/27 Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,913,157)GFN Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,388,283)PSA Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (47,256,391)
Message 63365 - Posted: 11 Mar 2013 | 18:30:41 UTC

IIRC, the sieves will use adaptive replication, so things will be slowed down, but they will not be slowed down by a factor of 2.
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321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,045,964)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,023,566)ESP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,021,061)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,080,021)PPS LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (8,904,332)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,109,761)SoB LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,069,227)SR5 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,019,335)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,131,335)TPS LLR (retired) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (20,001)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,017,688)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,099,788)321 Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (17,263,825)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,247,691)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (42,978,961)PPS Sieve Double Ruby: Earned 2,000,000,000 credits (2,338,076,356)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (36,215,460)TRP Sieve (suspended) Double Bronze: Earned 100,000,000 credits (102,264,922)AP 26/27 Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,537,729)GFN Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,192,662)PSA Double Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000,000 credits (1,343,866,777)
Message 63727 - Posted: 21 Mar 2013 | 17:52:00 UTC - in response to Message 63365.
Last modified: 21 Mar 2013 | 17:52:37 UTC

ok, I just noticed that some of the trp sieve wu I crunched ended with the "Completed, can't validate" status. You can check them here http://www.primegrid.com/results.php?userid=8810&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid=14. You may notice that errors are produced by different hosts, usually reliable ones....

Is this something related to the new validator? Any hints about why the wu cannot be validated?

thank you in advance

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Message 63729 - Posted: 21 Mar 2013 | 19:01:47 UTC - in response to Message 63727.
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ok, I just noticed that some of the trp sieve wu I crunched ended with the "Completed, can't validate" status. You can check them here http://www.primegrid.com/results.php?userid=8810&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid=14. You may notice that errors are produced by different hosts, usually reliable ones....

Is this something related to the new validator? Any hints about why the wu cannot be validated?

thank you in advance


The specific reasons why some tasks may or may not need to be doublechecked won't be discussed in public. These are steps we're taking to prevent cheating.

EDIT: The fact that a particular task may be doublechecked does not necessarily imply that there's anything suspicious about that task. The converse is also true.
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Message 63742 - Posted: 22 Mar 2013 | 6:02:30 UTC - in response to Message 63727.

@valterc: I had a couple TRP Sieve tasks go to "can't validate" state a few days ago. There were wingman-tasks still running. When those finished, my work changed to "completed and validated".

Most likely, nothing for you to worry about.

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Message 63748 - Posted: 22 Mar 2013 | 10:12:25 UTC - in response to Message 63742.
Last modified: 22 Mar 2013 | 10:17:30 UTC

Well, all the tasks are indeed waiting for a good return, other wingmans returned errors.

If this is the reason probably a message like 'waiting for something' will be less scary that 'cannot validate'.... (which seems to me more 'definitive').

@micheal: I agree that the validation mechanism should not be public.

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Message 63753 - Posted: 22 Mar 2013 | 12:27:35 UTC

As you've noticed, the "can't validate" state means -- on PrimeGrid -- "can't validate yet".

On other BOINC systems it may be a more permanent error, but here we have an automated process that resolves this and eventually everything finishes the way it's supposed to.

That being said, this should not have been occurring in this situation, and Jim and I have taken the necessary steps to correct the problem. New TRP sieve workunits will be set to be more permissive, which is needed with the new validator. You shouldn't see this problem, or at least not nearly as often, once you start getting the new workunits. Note, however, that all existing workunits, and the 500 or so tasks currently waiting to be sent out are still susceptible to getting that error message. Fortunately, you can simply ignore the message.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention!
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Message 63756 - Posted: 22 Mar 2013 | 14:06:06 UTC - in response to Message 63753.

And thank you for the really quick answer!

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Message 65231 - Posted: 11 May 2013 | 15:09:44 UTC
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So this is why my TRP Sieve tasks have pending credit for so long?

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Message 65243 - Posted: 11 May 2013 | 18:45:00 UTC - in response to Message 65231.

So this is why my TRP Sieve tasks have pending credit for so long?


Yes.
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Message 65405 - Posted: 15 May 2013 | 17:39:15 UTC

Trying to find somewhere appropriate to post this, but hopefully I'm helping this effort by dialling-in a 3rd core of my Note II in an ambient temp of about 8C! CPU temp therefore down to early-50s.

If it's going to be crap weather on my holiday I might as well make good use of it.

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Message 65585 - Posted: 20 May 2013 | 20:45:14 UTC

Question (here rather than dig up an old thread): why do some CPU tasks take minutes to move off 0.000%? 20 or 30 mins sonetimes.

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Message 65586 - Posted: 20 May 2013 | 21:08:31 UTC - in response to Message 65585.
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Question (here rather than dig up an old thread): why do some CPU tasks take minutes to move off 0.000%? 20 or 30 mins sonetimes.


That's a good question. Most likely, you're referring to LLR tasks.

There's two possible answers:

Answer #1:

There's essentially two kinds of applications (apps) that can be run by BOINC servers: native apps that were specially written to run with BOINC (or were modified to run with BOINC), and foreign apps that were written for some other purpose.

Native BOINC tasks communicate with the BOINC client on the host computer, and are able to tell the client how much progress has been made, when the last checkpoint was done, etc. The app can be written to send this information to the BOINC client as frequently as desired, so the display can be updated frequently.

Foreign apps don't know anything about BOINC and don't send it any information. In fact, they can't be run directly by BOINC. You need a "wrapper" program that can talk to BOINC, and the wrapper, in turn, runs the foreign app. Sometimes the foreign app prints status messages that the wrapper can see, and use this to figure out how far the app has progressed. This is what we do with LLR. It's a foreign app, and we use a wrapper to read what it displays and use that to tell BOINC how far we've gone. But we have no control over how frequently LLR displays that information. It's not very frequent, which accounts for the long intervals between updates in the BOINC display. Also, the interval depends somewhat on the size of the number, so PPS-LLR tasks should update more frequently than SoB-LLR tasks.

Answer #2:

Some applications have a substantial initialization phase, during which the percentage completed remains at zero. Old CPU GFN-short tasks were like that. Technically, all GFN tasks are *still* like that, but the initialization phase on the CPU version is a lot faster now.

20 or 30 mins sonetimes.


I didn't address this, specifically, because I can't think of a good answer. Can you give me an example of a task that doesn't update for 0 or 30 minutes?
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Message 65588 - Posted: 20 May 2013 | 21:43:09 UTC - in response to Message 65586.

Thanks.

Yes probably http://www.primegrid.com/result.php?resultid=453225074.

Not bad for having to type the url out manually because I'm lazy and in bed with my fone (no that sounds bad...)!

Also try 453288164.

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