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321 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,036,594)Cullen LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (508,262)ESP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (244,228)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (555,794)PPS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,681,927)PSP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (243,388)SoB LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (842,338)SR5 LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (545,834)SGS LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (528,375)TRP LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (735,603)Woodall LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (516,877)321 Sieve Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (122,587)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (33,531)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (501,871)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (30,536,095)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (108,680)TRP Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (52,773)AP 26/27 Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (8,478,171)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (38,666,149)
Message 131007 - Posted: 10 Jul 2019 | 11:32:55 UTC

Dear community,
two little /maybe naive) questions here which I didn't manage to find answers yet, although they might already exist.

Thus, I make it short:

1. I have some pending credits in Woodall LLR and Cullen LLR since a couple of weeks. Is it just "normal" or could the error be on my side?

2. My system runs for many days crunching flawlessly on tasks like AP, PPS LLR (PPS, PPSE, MEGA), SGS LLR e.g....however, on other tasks like SOB LLR, ESP, 321, Cullen, Woodall it crashes reliably every few hours. Is there a certain susceptibility/sensitivity towards some sort of tasks? System just freezes completly or reboots without a specific error message. No heat issues. All CPU tasks are running multithreaded.

Thanks in advance for hints or advice where I could dig deeper :-)
Andreas Jourdan (germany)


It's a win 10, i7 4790k, watercooled, NOT one single Hz tweaked, 16GB RAm with a GTX 1080, everything concerning firmware and drivers uptodate.

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The "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 1 mega primeFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,063,182)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,005,249)ESP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,820,430)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,145,754)PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,773,744)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,632,269)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (34,158,496)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (8,293,415)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,012,781)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,737,347)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,195,123)321 Sieve Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,046,112)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,110,788)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,118,397)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (64,595,124)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,135,447)
Message 131009 - Posted: 10 Jul 2019 | 14:40:56 UTC - in response to Message 131007.

Dear community,
two little /maybe naive) questions here which I didn't manage to find answers yet, although they might already exist.

Thus, I make it short:

1. I have some pending credits in Woodall LLR and Cullen LLR since a couple of weeks. Is it just "normal" or could the error be on my side?

2. My system runs for many days crunching flawlessly on tasks like AP, PPS LLR (PPS, PPSE, MEGA), SGS LLR e.g....however, on other tasks like SOB LLR, ESP, 321, Cullen, Woodall it crashes reliably every few hours. Is there a certain susceptibility/sensitivity towards some sort of tasks? System just freezes completly or reboots without a specific error message. No heat issues. All CPU tasks are running multithreaded.

Thanks in advance for hints or advice where I could dig deeper :-)
Andreas Jourdan (germany)


It's a win 10, i7 4790k, watercooled, NOT one single Hz tweaked, 16GB RAm with a GTX 1080, everything concerning firmware and drivers uptodate.


Waiting for pending credit is normal, but your computer DOES have a problem that needs to be fixed. Crashing is never normal nor expected, and you also have several invalid tasks where your computer had calculation errors. This is something that should never, ever happen. It means the computer is not operating correctly.

Even though you haven't overclocked anything, it's still possible the computer is running too hot. What temperature is the CPU running at when running LLR? It's also possible that the memory or some other part is defective. Yet another possibility is that one of the memory sticks is making poor contact with the connector, and simply reseating the memory may fix the problem.
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Discovered 1 mega primeDiscovered 1 AP26Found 2 primes in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 2 primes in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 mega prime in the 2019 Tour de Primes321 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (402,418)Cullen LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (29,920)ESP LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (30,791)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (33,221)PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,200,399)PSP LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (36,061)SoB LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,131,807)SR5 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,766,241)SGS LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (592,876)TRP LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (71,189)Woodall LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (524,564)321 Sieve Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,438,719)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (28,919,526)PPS Sieve Double Silver: Earned 200,000,000 credits (236,101,469)TRP Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (39,046)AP 26/27 Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (61,874,072)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (96,188,873)PSA Double Gold: Earned 500,000,000 credits (827,144,045)
Message 131032 - Posted: 10 Jul 2019 | 22:40:20 UTC

According to the stderr output, he's running the bigger tasks on 8 threads (on a quadcore CPU). Maybe that's got something to do with it?

rolfo, even if that's not the cause of the problem, for LLR you should either deactivate hyperthreading or set the client to use only 50% of the CPU. HT doesn't help with that and can even slow things down.
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The "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 1 mega primeFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,063,182)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,005,249)ESP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,820,430)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,145,754)PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,773,744)PSP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,632,269)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (34,158,496)SR5 LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (8,293,415)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,012,781)TRP LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,737,347)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,195,123)321 Sieve Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,046,112)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (20,110,788)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,118,397)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (64,595,124)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,135,447)
Message 131034 - Posted: 11 Jul 2019 | 1:25:04 UTC - in response to Message 131032.

According to the stderr output, he's running the bigger tasks on 8 threads (on a quadcore CPU). Maybe that's got something to do with it?

rolfo, even if that's not the cause of the problem, for LLR you should either deactivate hyperthreading or set the client to use only 50% of the CPU. HT doesn't help with that and can even slow things down.


The number of threads affects speed, but not reliability. He could use -t 100 and it should still produce the correct result.
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321 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,036,594)Cullen LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (508,262)ESP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (244,228)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (555,794)PPS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,681,927)PSP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (243,388)SoB LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (842,338)SR5 LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (545,834)SGS LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (528,375)TRP LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (735,603)Woodall LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (516,877)321 Sieve Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (122,587)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (33,531)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (501,871)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (30,536,095)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (108,680)TRP Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (52,773)AP 26/27 Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (8,478,171)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (38,666,149)
Message 131059 - Posted: 12 Jul 2019 | 8:51:33 UTC - in response to Message 131009.

Thank you for the feedback! :-)

1. alright. Some patience is certainly feasable ;-) .. I just wondered because some pending credits are almost directly confirmed, others take weeks.

2. I will do some more testing to narrow it down.

So far I reinserted the RAM bars firmly and at least after 24h mem test, there are no errors shown (yet).


temperature seems ok to me under full load...



Although it might not affect the reliability I give the disabling of HT a run.

I'll keep ypu updated. And if you have more insights, I'd appreciate them.

Thanks again!

Andreas

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321 LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,036,594)Cullen LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (508,262)ESP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (244,228)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (555,794)PPS LLR Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,681,927)PSP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (243,388)SoB LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (842,338)SR5 LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (545,834)SGS LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (528,375)TRP LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (735,603)Woodall LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (516,877)321 Sieve Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (122,587)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (33,531)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (501,871)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (30,536,095)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (108,680)TRP Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (52,773)AP 26/27 Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (8,478,171)GFN Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (38,666,149)
Message 131345 - Posted: 21 Jul 2019 | 11:42:26 UTC - in response to Message 131059.

Thank you for the feedback! :-)

1. alright. Some patience is certainly feasable ;-) .. I just wondered because some pending credits are almost directly confirmed, others take weeks.

2. I will do some more testing to narrow it down.

So far I reinserted the RAM bars firmly and at least after 24h mem test, there are no errors shown (yet).


temperature seems ok to me under full load...



Although it might not affect the reliability I give the disabling of HT a run.

I'll keep ypu updated. And if you have more insights, I'd appreciate them.

Thanks again!

Andreas


Hello,
I guess I got the solution more or less fortuitously.

After installing new Rambars, I got still some errors. (Z87 board)
Looking in a deeper corner of the Bios,
I've accidentally discovered some inappropriate CL values, for whatever reason, I thought something like that works automatically...
I switched DRAM from "standard" to "performance mode" although it is supposed to be less stable. Then it automatically switched the JEDEC Values to the correct timings. Since than, everything seems to work just fine, wether with the older bars or the new bars.
Strange and beyond my knowledge, however, I am happy it works. :-)
Cheers, Andreas

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