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Discovered 5 mega primes321 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (110,520)Cullen LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (107,472)PPS LLR Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (51,474,017)PSP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (124,770)SoB LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (140,262)SGS LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (184,850)TRP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (104,876)Woodall LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (113,994)PPS Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (14,811,361)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (80,367)TRP Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (53,792)AP 26/27 Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,292,041)GFN Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,157,101)
Message 21554 - Posted: 6 Mar 2010 | 0:27:18 UTC

I'm about 55 hours from finishing a Seventeen Or Bust task that is due in about 48 hours. Is it possible to get the deadline postponed so that my ~380 hours of crunching won't go to waste?

If it's pertinent, the WU is llr_sob_44330130.
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Found 5 primes in the 2021 Tour de PrimesFound 5 mega primes in the 2021 Tour de PrimesThe "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 6 mega primesFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,822,730)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,624,591)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,021,269)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,145,754)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (16,008,485)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,197,957)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (34,291,181)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,007,110)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,252,256)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,084,329)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,911,985)321 Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,061,196)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (22,885,121)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,118,303)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (76,733,355)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,445,029)
Message 21557 - Posted: 6 Mar 2010 | 0:53:01 UTC - in response to Message 21554.

I think you have until either 5 days after the deadline or until your result gets sent out to someone else and returned, whichever is later. So you've got a minimum cushion of 120 hours to work with (and most likely closer to 200 hours.)
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Discovered 5 mega primes321 LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (110,520)Cullen LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (107,472)PPS LLR Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (51,474,017)PSP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (124,770)SoB LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (140,262)SGS LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (184,850)TRP LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (104,876)Woodall LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (113,994)PPS Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (14,811,361)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (80,367)TRP Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (53,792)AP 26/27 Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (7,292,041)GFN Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,157,101)
Message 21561 - Posted: 6 Mar 2010 | 4:42:35 UTC - in response to Message 21557.

Thanks!

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321 LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (49,082)PPS LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (169,295)PSP LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (31,014)SoB LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (15,890)SGS LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (55,574)TRP LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (54,052)321 Sieve Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (190,323)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (112,074)PPS Sieve Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,080,087)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (52,315)TRP Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (162,034)AP 26/27 Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (34,692)GFN Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (61,869)
Message 21578 - Posted: 6 Mar 2010 | 18:58:44 UTC - in response to Message 21557.

I think you have until either 5 days after the deadline or until your result gets sent out to someone else and returned, whichever is later. So you've got a minimum cushion of 120 hours to work with (and most likely closer to 200 hours.)


Well I have an AMD64 3200+ needing 200 hours more than the deadline

I finally get some for my "AMD Phenom(tm) 9650 Quad-Core Processor" desktop,
BUT it wants 624 hours to do the work - that is more hour than the deadline given.

What is the AVERAGE computers that do the work in 220 hours?
This is one of the fastest of the AMD line of processors, but it is slow
compared to that low average number. Also my slower/years-older AMD64 will do the
work only a few hours slower than the new faster Phenom.

What do they want for computer specs? Top of the line Intel i7 or something?
Since the top of the line AMD system gets a listing of 3 times the "average", I really
wonder what is needed to run the SoB work.

26 days to do the work to be reported in 21 days is not something my system will
do if I will not get any credits.

I have 2 cores running the SoB, and I am going to abort down to 1 core.
If there is no extension of the reported deadlines, then many more people
will find that they do not want to run the project and find that their fast
systems will not make the deadline listed.



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Found 5 primes in the 2021 Tour de PrimesFound 5 mega primes in the 2021 Tour de PrimesThe "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 6 mega primesFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,822,730)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,624,591)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,021,269)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,145,754)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (16,008,485)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,197,957)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (34,291,181)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,007,110)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,252,256)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,084,329)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,911,985)321 Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,061,196)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (22,885,121)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,118,303)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (76,733,355)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,445,029)
Message 21579 - Posted: 6 Mar 2010 | 19:23:39 UTC - in response to Message 21578.

You should read the reply to your other post. The estimates you're seeing fro the BOINC client are likely WAY off. You'll probably make the deadline. You should calculate the time remaining yourself rather than rely on what BOINC is telling you.

FYI my Core2Quad Q6600 @2.4Ghz did SoB in about 12 days, and that's with all 4 cores running SoB (there's a big hit to performance when you're running multiple LLR WUs, but it varies with each CPU).
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321 LLR Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (506,595)Cullen LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (52,363)PPS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,795,295)PSP LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (53,084)SoB LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (243,246)SGS LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (19,648)Woodall LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (107,664)321 Sieve Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (945,292)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,545,959)PPS Sieve Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,376,355)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,501,080)TRP Sieve (suspended) Gold: Earned 500,000 credits (884,581)AP 26/27 Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,507,223)
Message 21581 - Posted: 6 Mar 2010 | 20:06:28 UTC - in response to Message 21578.
Last modified: 6 Mar 2010 | 20:07:59 UTC

My AMD 965 Deneb does an SOB in 175 hours total. My Intel Q6600 takes 200 hours total.

I finally get some for my "AMD Phenom(tm) 9650 Quad-Core Processor" desktop,
BUT it wants 624 hours to do the work - that is more hour than the deadline given.

What is the AVERAGE computers that do the work in 220 hours?
This is one of the fastest of the AMD line of processors, but it is slow
compared to that low average number. Also my slower/years-older AMD64 will do the
work only a few hours slower than the new faster Phenom.


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321 LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (49,082)PPS LLR Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (169,295)PSP LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (31,014)SoB LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (15,890)SGS LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (55,574)TRP LLR Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (54,052)321 Sieve Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (190,323)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (112,074)PPS Sieve Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,080,087)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (52,315)TRP Sieve (suspended) Silver: Earned 100,000 credits (162,034)AP 26/27 Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (34,692)GFN Bronze: Earned 10,000 credits (61,869)
Message 21584 - Posted: 6 Mar 2010 | 23:39:06 UTC - in response to Message 21579.

You should read the reply to your other post. The estimates you're seeing fro the BOINC client are likely WAY off. You'll probably make the deadline. You should calculate the time remaining yourself rather than rely on what BOINC is telling you.

FYI my Core2Quad Q6600 @2.4Ghz did SoB in about 12 days, and that's with all 4 cores running SoB (there's a big hit to performance when you're running multiple LLR WUs, but it varies with each CPU).


I wonder why then it tells me the 600+ hours in the first place?

I am running on the 4 core Phenom
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1] 321-sieve
2] SoB

3] Milkyway
4] Poem@home
with some 321-llr in the queue.

And only SoB on the AMD64 3200+

Then there is a overheating laptop that does SIMAP, Pirates!, and FreeHal.
Plus a P4 2gig server running 321-llr, with Cullen/W sieve, PPS llr in the queue.

I run PrimeGrid on all but the laptop that overheats too much to run heavy
CPU crunching any more. It is now my spare system and default mobile one.

I just do not like the way the hours to go is not adjusting itself as some of the
other projects/sub-project have done in the past.

Well I will manually work on the hours needed to finish. But really, what systems
are running the 220 average hours? I got one of the fastest AMD systems I could get
on my budget. Intel would have been $250-$450 more added to the system from
getting a Phenom 9650. I think this is the top or 1 down from the top of the line
for AMD processors. At least I am told that the motherboard can be upgraded for the
next generation AMD products coming out. But really???

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Did the math based on % done and time done. AMD64 3200+ will do 400+ hours,
depending how I do the figures, and the Phenom 9650 could be under the 230 hours, but it is
only at 0.697% at this point and the AMD64 is at 30%+ done. So why the 600+ hours
listed? Really out there.

I will let them run to the finish and then see what credits are given out.
I know of one friend that has run SoB on two systems [both fast Intel], but has not
seen any credits yet - "wingman" not reported yet to compare process report.

Just for wondering - I have seen listings of top crunchers with 8, 16, and 32 core systems.
I wonder when 8 or 16 core systems will be out for us normal crunchers.




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Found 5 primes in the 2021 Tour de PrimesFound 5 mega primes in the 2021 Tour de PrimesThe "Shut up already!" badge:  This loud mouth has mansplained on the forums over 10 thousand times!  Sheesh!!!Discovered the World's First GFN-19 prime!!!Discovered 6 mega primesFound 1 prime in the 2018 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2019 Tour de PrimesFound 1 prime in the 2020 Tour de Primes321 LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,822,730)Cullen LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,624,591)ESP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,021,269)Generalized Cullen/Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,145,754)PPS LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (16,008,485)PSP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,197,957)SoB LLR Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (34,291,181)SR5 LLR Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,007,110)SGS LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (3,252,256)TRP LLR Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,084,329)Woodall LLR Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,911,985)321 Sieve Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,061,196)Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (4,170,256)Generalized Cullen/Woodall Sieve (suspended) Turquoise: Earned 5,000,000 credits (5,059,304)PPS Sieve Sapphire: Earned 20,000,000 credits (22,885,121)Sierpinski (ESP/PSP/SoB) Sieve (suspended) Amethyst: Earned 1,000,000 credits (1,035,522)TRP Sieve (suspended) Ruby: Earned 2,000,000 credits (2,051,121)AP 26/27 Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (10,118,303)GFN Emerald: Earned 50,000,000 credits (76,733,355)PSA Jade: Earned 10,000,000 credits (12,445,029)
Message 21585 - Posted: 6 Mar 2010 | 23:50:58 UTC - in response to Message 21584.

The problem is due to a limitation (design flaw) in the basic BOINC design. When there are sub projects that have wildly different DCFs, BOINC can't really handle it because it doesn't allow for sub projects with different DCFs.

BOINC handles this situation in the SAFE way, which is to (effectively) treat all projects as if they have the highest DCF. The result is that many of the sub projects' run times are overestimated (and sometimes greatly overestimated).

With the current mix of subprojects I'm running on one computer (AP26/CUDA with a DCF of around 20.0 and Woodall-LLR with a DCF of 0.5 to 1.5), the Woodall tasks initially start off with an estimate of around 1200 hours. They actually take 50 to 60 hours. It doesn't really cause any big problems; you just have to not trust the estimates that BOINC is telling you. That's certainly true for many, many, projects out there. At least with PrimeGrid, the percentage complete is fairly accurate so you can make good estimates of the actual run time. That is not the case for many other projects (e.g., Lattice, uFluids).
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