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I've seen reference to cobblestones being assigned manually at infrequent intervals. When was it last done, and how long until it gets done again? I've been trying to get all the badges, and only need PSA. And TPS, but that's a different story.
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I've seen reference to cobblestones being assigned manually at infrequent intervals. When was it last done, and how long until it gets done again? I've been trying to get all the badges, and only need PSA. And TPS, but that's a different story.
I believe it was dealt with in some detail here .
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As a reference Mike, I was in the same position as you needing only PSA and TPS (which is impossible right now). I did a 5 day 20P range on one of the manual sieves, completed 1 week ago today and have been getting the manual cobblestones trickling in, during the last few days. As of today it went over 20K so my bronze badge for PSA has appeared :)
So, it's not too long a wait at all. Please note that you don't get the whole score at once as they try to keep the RAC in line.
Hope that helps
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I've seen reference to cobblestones being assigned manually at infrequent intervals. When was it last done, and how long until it gets done again? I've been trying to get all the badges, and only need PSA. And TPS, but that's a different story.
The sieve credits were updated just a few days ago. However, the PRPNet credits are overdue. Expect to see them in the next day or so.
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Yeah waiting on the GFN and also the Primorial LLR one as well.
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How often are manual cobbelstones processed on average?
From lennart: here
We import credit to PSA credit 1-2 timrs/month
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Receiving Credit
Manual BOINC cobblestones are earned while participating in both PRPNet and the manual sieves. They are awarded in batches and then averaged out based off your current RAC. This is done so your daily credit more reflects the type of work you're doing. One day spikes do not represent that. Daily distributions will continue to rise each day until most of your credit is distributed...then it will level off as steady work continues to come in.
The sieves
Once COMPLETE ranges are moved from the main reservation post to the Archive post, credit is calculated and applied. This process is done every 2-4 weeks depending on how active the sieves are and how many COMPLETE ranges are piling up. Right now, it's averaging about once a week.
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Credit is calculated and applied once every 6-8 weeks. Right now, it's averaging about once every 3-4 weeks. The previous application occurred on 18 Nov.
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This is somewhat related, but i was wondering if the primes that we find in PRPNet are ever added to our prime counts under the Top Prime Finders page. I only ask because i have several hundred finds under ports 10k and 11k, but maybe they are not listed because they have already been found? Just wanted to know if there was any hope of me moving up the list. Thanks!
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...if the primes that we find in PRPNet are ever added to our prime counts under the Top Prime Finders page. Nope, they don't - I asked this a long time ago.
This would be nice to have a single place to look at primes found. Ranking and Score on Top Prime Finders is now very distrorted since PRPNet results are not present.
But there is still hope...
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It would be nice to have a place, where one can look up the date of last manual granting of BOINC credits for each PSA subproject (port).
Maybe this could be integrated as an extra column of PRPNet-Stats? |
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Maybe this could be integrated as an extra column of PRPNet-Stats?
Due to the manual granting of credits, I can not imagine any automatisme to include an extra column at PRPNet-Stats
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Has anyone received manual credit in the time span of the last month? I definitely should be receiving manual credit for work that I did before I went on vacation, and a month later I have not received any credit for it. Previous times past when I have done manual work, I have received the credit within about a week. Was I just lucky before, or am I not getting credit I should be getting? |
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Has anyone received manual credit in the time span of the last month? I definitely should be receiving manual credit for work that I did before I went on vacation, and a month later I have not received any credit for it. Previous times past when I have done manual work, I have received the credit within about a week. Was I just lucky before, or am I not getting credit I should be getting?
I haven't received any credit either, so I'm just assuming it has to do with the person responsible for the manual crediting being on vacation, or some other totally reasonable explanation. But you're not the only one, so whatever is affecting you, is probably affecting everyone.
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yep, havnt seen any credit for at least one month
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John Honorary cruncher
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yep, havnt seen any credit for at least one month
Manual credit went semi-automatic last month. However, it appears that it went none existent instead. The problem will be investigated when Rytis returns. There are records of all credit earned during this period so rest assured they will eventually be granted.
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Sweet, thanks for that bit of information. |
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Just started...... They will come a little each day until they are done
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Did the automated granting of BOINC credits for PRPnet work not actually pan out or something? Two days ago (8/23--though due to time zone difference, on the stats page it came out partly on 8/23 and partly on 8/24) I did about 10 CPU-hours of work on the PPSE (n>1M) server; it hasn't yet shown up in the BOINC stats.
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Did the automated granting of BOINC credits for PRPnet work not actually pan out or something? Two days ago (8/23--though due to time zone difference, on the stats page it came out partly on 8/23 and partly on 8/24) I did about 10 CPU-hours of work on the PPSE (n>1M) server; it hasn't yet shown up in the BOINC stats.
Once credit is awarded, it is automatically applied each day based off your RAC. See below for when credit is granted.
Receiving Credit
Manual BOINC cobblestones are earned while participating in both PRPNet and the manual sieves. They are awarded in batches and then averaged out based off your current RAC. This is done so your daily credit more reflects the type of work you're doing. One day spikes do not represent that. Daily distributions will continue to rise each day until most of your credit is distributed...then it will level off as steady work continues to come in.
The sieves
Once COMPLETE ranges are moved from the main reservation post to the Archive post, credit is calculated and applied. This process is done every 2-4 weeks depending on how active the sieves are and how many COMPLETE ranges are piling up. Right now, it's averaging about once every 1-2 weeks.
PRPNet
Credit is calculated and applied once every 3-4 weeks. Right now, it's averaging about once every 1-2 weeks.
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Ah, I see. Note that this particular stint of work was actually done in one day; so, thus, granting it all in one day would quite accurately reflect how it was earned.
Also, I'm not currently running any BOINC clients; all of my contributions come via PRPnet. Would that throw off this formula and cause credit to be granted more slowly than it should?
Of course, as the text you quoted stated, manual credit granting is being done every 1-2 weeks on average; it's only been two days, so it's not surprising that it hasn't come yet. I had been under the impression from the previous post that it was now an automatic process that happened on a daily basis, but it seems that is not the case after all. |
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Also, I'm not currently running any BOINC clients; all of my contributions come via PRPnet. Would that throw off this formula and cause credit to be granted more slowly than it should?
Yes, this is true. However, I see that your current RAC is 103 so 10 hours of PRPNet, once awarded, shouldn't take too long.
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Thanks, that's good to know. BTW, one other quick question: a friend of mine from the NPLB project has his PRPnet clients configured with PrimeGrid's servers as backup. A few days ago, we had a server crash and his clients fell back to the 27121 server, crunching a total of 4 pairs (I'd guess about 8 CPU-hours given the size of the tests). He has never used BOINC, and does not have a PrimeGrid account. If he were to register for one with the manual registration form, and credit was assigned to him next time PRPnet credits are distributed, would his RAC of 0 therefore cause the credits to stay in limbo indefinitely? Or is manual intervention used in specific cases like this to "jump start" his RAC accordingly? |
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If he were to register for one with the manual registration form, and credit was assigned to him next time PRPnet credits are distributed, would his RAC of 0 therefore cause the credits to stay in limbo indefinitely? Or is manual intervention used in specific cases like this to "jump start" his RAC accordingly?
Minimum credit is 100, regardless of RAC.
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I am a bit worried about my credits, is the PRPnet credit automatically distributed or is my RAC still zero?
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Hi guys,
I have also have this - probably very common - question on when/how to receive the PSA credits.
Actually, I only have the prpclient running occasionally, however, I already earned more than 100k - distributed over the projects SGS, FPS and GFN32768, and recently sr5 (that nice challenge :-) ).
I think I started at the beginning of November, and yet nothing showing up in the stats.
So, does that sound just normal and I need to wait longer, or is there something wrong?
Thanks for any comment here!
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It gets added between once a month and once every two months, really it is based on when the admins get around to adding it in. Until it does get added in, it all just adds up and then it gets distributed based on your RAC once they do add it into the system.
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Thanks for your reply, Michael.
That just assures me that everything is working fine.
I just thought I read something about 'every few weeks' so I started getting nervous... ;-)
Anyway, maybe it'll be a nice little Christmas gift!
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What with all the other activity going on that's much more worthwhile such as converting to gpu apps, 2011 challenge series, prime testing and reporting and answering questions from all us impatient folks, I was just wondering when the credits from PRPNet would be updated in PrimeGrid.
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I was just wondering when the credits from PRPNet would be updated in PrimeGrid.
It would appear this happened sometime within the last hour or so, as I've suddenly got a badge and I only started on PSA stuff a little over a week ago.
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It sure did. I got one as well when I logged on this morning. So now if someone in the know can explain the distribution part that would be great. Since I have a ton of credits on prpnet. I know there's not a 1 to 1 transfer and 99% of my credit on prpnet is from the ppse10 and sgs ports and based on what I read before I have enough for a silver. However then there's the RAC part which I guess I dont understand.
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Approximately 18 PRPNet credits = 1 Boinc credit.
So divide PRPNet by 18 and that is somewhere around what PSA should eventually show (assuming LLR stuff, sieve stuff may vary).
Credit is transferred in chunks over however many days needed in order to avoid spiking the RAC.
YMMV
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Approximately 18 PRPNet credits = 1 Boinc credit.
So divide PRPNet by 18 and that is somewhere around what PSA should eventually show (assuming LLR stuff, sieve stuff may vary).
Credit is transferred in chunks over however many days needed in order to avoid spiking the RAC.
YMMV
Thanks Murhpy! I scrolled down as well and read more of what John said and a couple of others and from what you said I get the following.
My prpnet credits are basically 1:18 for PG so if I have 5 mil prp credits then that's roughly 277,000 PG credits which once added to my pg account will dribble in on a daily basis adding to my PSA credit but based on my current RAC for as long as it takes to expend the 277,000 credits.
At least that's how I understand this thread.
Thanks man!
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That has been my experience in the past.
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Apparently there's an issue.. no prpnet credits applied last night :(
Ain't it amazing how one watches for little things that don't mean much?
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Hello,
It's been about 3 weeks since I exceeded 400 000 for the bronze badge, I know it takes between 1-4 weeks and I think it also depends on the CARs (besides, I do not know about mine PRPNet?) but still .... still nothing ....
Besides, I think I member of the AF (Polaris_AF), which exceeded 3 million and still nothing also ....
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from a well-informed source I know that it will not be long ...
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This is from the thread PRPNet discussion posted yesterday so it looks like the credits will be showing up soon.
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from a well-informed source I know that it will not be long ...
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This is from the thread PRPNet discussion posted yesterday so it looks like the credits will be showing up soon.
Rick
Can we have an indication of when credits will be assigned as it has been a while
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from a well-informed source I know that it will not be long ...
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This is from the thread PRPNet discussion posted yesterday so it looks like the credits will be showing up soon.
Rick
Can we have an indication of when credits will be assigned as it has been a while
Credits are granted...
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Pardon my ignorance but why are two different sets of points/credits in the first place?
Can't you convert the PRPNet points system down to the BOINC cobblestone system in a one time re-alignment and be done with it and avoid the sporadic voodoo point adjustments?
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Pardon my ignorance but why are two different sets of points/credits in the first place?
Can't you convert the PRPNet points system down to the BOINC cobblestone system in a one time re-alignment and be done with it and avoid the sporadic voodoo point adjustments?
That would essentially be making PRPNet a BOINC project. It already kinda is, as it's run by PrimeGrid and serves primarily as a testing ground for projects that may or may not prove BOINC-capable.
I suppose your suggestion was making PRPNet credits automatically transfer over through some kind of script. I kind of like that, but have no idea where one would start, since BOINC servers use their own methods for determining credits per task, and PRPNet has a LOT of tasks reported at any given time. Lots of server load, I know that much.
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I'm not talking about changing the project status vs BOINC, just align the credit structure so everyone knows where they stand credit wise with BOINC at any point in time, and save the 'manual credit adjuster' a whole lot of time and effort. Either way we end up at the same destination- BOINC credit conversion- either the easy way or the hard(less easy?) way. IMHO :) |
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Credits are granted...
Not for me they aren't, but my credit comes from the PSA sieves, not from PRPnet, I don't know if that makes a difference at all.
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Credits are granted...
Not for me they aren't, but my credit comes from the PSA sieves, not from PRPnet, I don't know if that makes a difference at all.
All PRPnet-projects are summarized in the PSA-badge...
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Credits are granted...
Not for me they aren't, but my credit comes from the PSA sieves, not from PRPnet, I don't know if that makes a difference at all.
All PRPnet-projects are summarized in the PSA-badge...
I believe that he is referring to the non-PRPnet manual sieves.
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Credits are granted...
Not for me they aren't, but my credit comes from the PSA sieves, not from PRPnet, I don't know if that makes a difference at all.
All PRPnet-projects are summarized in the PSA-badge...
I believe that he is referring to the non-PRPnet manual sieves.
According to 27121 Sieve Reservation: This is the reservation thread for the 27121 Prime Search sieving (PrimeGrid's collaboration with the 12121 Prime Search). The sieve is for k=27 & 121; k*2^n+-1 for n<10M.
Before reserving a range, please visit the Welcome thread for instructions and to download the setup files. NOTE: Manual BOINC cobblestones are available for this sieve.
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Or simple read the thread The Project Staging Area...
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You said that PSA was trickling in, and it isn't for the manual sieve effort, I realize that it goes into the same PSA badge, I'm just saying that the manual credit for the manual sieves is not being applied.
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